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  Goodbye my friends.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for almost 12 years now, i have been coming to this site on a regular basis and in the last 5, i “faded out”.

  i never regretted this and never will.

  unfortunately though, yesterday, i realized that, until i can publically tell all my old acquaintances why i have left, i will never be truly free.

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  The Fall Guy

  Best wishes Stephane for a happy future without any JW-speak in it.

  What a glorious thought - but sadly, many of us have to fade gently without triggering the apostate alarm.
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  Babylon The Great and JWs

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jws teach babylon the great is the whole empire of false religion.

  interestingly, bible’s definition of it would include jws also because it is the entity “that rules over the kings of the earth.” (rev 17:18) since revelation is given in symbols (rev 1:1) “kings” cannot be literal, but can mean minds of people because mind acts like king over everyone’s bodily kingdom.. no one exerts power over the minds of jws like their gb does.

  just like members of other religions blindly follow what their leaders teach, jws too do—even when changes that are introduced under the guise of “new light” are virtually numerous.

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  The Fall Guy

  Grammatically & logically, since Babylon the Great is defined as "the mother of the harlots," (plural) then clearly "she" cannot be a single worldwide conglomerate of religions, but rather the single greatest "harlot" which engendered all the rest.
  
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  Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.

  i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.

  1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?

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  The Fall Guy

  If JW's were totally honest, they would have to admit that they are instructed - directly or indirectly - not to even listen to teachings/arguments/debates which conflict with their "faithful slave's" propaganda.

  The WTBTS's "truth" is so weak that its adherents cannot have a serious Biblical discussion to defend it.

  Even the trolley-zombies are programmed to "avoid arguments" by directing questioners to the JW website.
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  What to Do....Please Help. Awakening JW for a very long time

  by CovertsadJW in

  1. social
  2. family

  good afternoon , .

  i have been having doubts for many years and as most jw's i have certainly not done myself a favor by suppressing all of my critical thinking.

  i am married with 3 kids and my wife and i are inactive, but my wife has made it very clear in speech and action that she wants to go to all meetings, field service, and indoctrinate our kids.

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  The Fall Guy

  Welcome CovertsadJW. So sorry your family life is in turmoil

  I've sent you a PM. Hope something is of use to you. I wish you well.
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  New to the truth

  by MatthewHewey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been meeting with member's of the kingdom hall, and i have attended a few times now on sundays.

  i'd like to discuss experiences with this group since i'm new.

  so far, i love it.

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  The Fall Guy

  Hi Matthew, welcome.

  As an ex-JW myself, I hope you are genuine - because everyone who has replied to your post is genuine!

  Illustration: if you want to walk through a minefield, take the advice of someone who's already done it.

  Once you are baptised, you automatically put your whole way of life under the control & scrutiny of the local body of Elders. You will have to answer to them for anything you do or say which they disagree with.

  As for "the truth," send me a Private Message if you'd like to read some of the things which opened my eyes to the JW version of Bible truth.

  Enjoy the ride - while the love-bombing lasts.
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  Loyalty.....the new buzzword promoted by the watchtower Bible and tract society

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  loyalty appears to be the buzzword constantly promoted by the gb at the moment.

  we hear it at conventions, assemblies, and meetings.. let's face it loyalty covers so much.

  shunning of family, friends etc.

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  A cult's very existence depends on the followers loyalty and obedience - "But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not." (Watchtower Simplified Edition November 15, page 20, paragraph 17)

  If this statement emanated from any other religion, JW's would shout "cult, cult, cult, cult, cult" from the rooftops.
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  After 10 years do they give up on you (hoping so)

  by Spiral in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think i read somewhere that if you have been inactive for ten years plus, the elders will not try to meet with you and corner you to get you back "in".

  is that true?.

  i just realized that mr. spiral and i haven't gone to meetings or reported time for over ten years.

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  When it comes down to it, Elders anywhere in the world will unilaterally decide if/when to to attack shepherd a lost sheep.

  Always be prepared to respond if confronted by any JW; "I appreciate your concern, but there's nothing private & personal I wish to discuss with anyone at the moment. Thanks anyway."

  Then exit, stage left - immediately.
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  The anonymity of Jehovah's Witness material

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is it vital for credibility to have the name of the writer of an article referenced?.

  does this allow for honesty and accountability?

  does this assist in ensuring that whatever is presented is as factual as possible, or not biased in some way toward the religion's ideas?.

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  So would it make a difference if the Society referenced the writers by name? Would it create a culture of honesty and transparency? Would it even matter?

  'Yes' to the first & last. 'Maybe' for the middle one.

  But since such openness would expose the 7 dwarf's sub-contracting of "providing food at the proper time" to non-anointed Writing Committee members, it would diminish/eliminate all the hard work which has been done in recent years to publicise & glorify the G.O.D.S. of Warwick.

  The Gibbering Body are like shopkeepers; they don't make the food, they're only middlemen who just want to sell it and make a profit.
  
  
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  Consolidation of Bethel Big-Wigs Now?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a reliable source has informed me that a bethel contact has informed them that paul gillies - a london branch committee heavyweight - is moving to warwick to join the legal department there.

  anyone else aware of this?.

  during the recent court case in russia, he posed for a photograph with the gb member and the rest of the wt a-team..

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  A reliable source has informed me that a Bethel contact has informed them that Paul Gillies - a London Branch Committee heavyweight - is moving to Warwick to join the legal department there. Anyone else aware of this?

  During the recent court case in Russia, he posed for a photograph with the GB member and the rest of the WT A-Team.
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  Let's compare the sayings of Jesus and the modern day Governing Body

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine yourself still sitting at a kingdom hall meeting and turn to the book of mark 7: 21-23. the sayings of jesus are really profound.

  the scripture makes you think, reflect, enters your heart and produces results.. today, you have your modern day governing body ( who supposedly are the mouthpiece for jesus and jehovah and provide spiritual food for the 8 million followers).

  if jehovah really sends his holy spirit upon these seven men, is this silly and petty message they can come up with?

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  The Fall Guy

  The mother of the JW harlots - the WTBTS - decides via its literature and its 7 puppets in Warwick which Bible teachings can be followed by JW's, and which ones can't!

  Example:

  Jesus said - If you know someone has committed a serious sin, resolve it between you and them alone. End of.

  WTBTS says - Ignore what Jesus said at Matt. 18:15-17; we tell you what to do in such a situation. So if you know that someone has committed a juicy, serious sin, go and "talk to them" about it. Having "discussed" it, then tell them that they are compelled to confess to 3 elders via a Judicial Committee.

  Can you imagine how many JW's would not be disfellowshipped each year if r&f JW's followed Jesus Christ's teaching - instead of obeying the "disgusting thing" in New York State?